Is a steel a steel, or are there things I should look for? I'm going to buy one. But hopefully not without your help.
If there are good, bad, and/or superior steels, I'd especially like to hear about brands that pleased and brands that disappointed.
If there are good, bad, and/or superior steels, I'd especially like to hear about brands that pleased and brands that disappointed.
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 12:34 PMcheck around on America's Test Kitchen and see if they have anything to say:
www.americastestkitchen.com/
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 2:10 PMBecause today's knives are not made of soft carbon steel anymore, a "sharpening" steel is used just for honing, not sharpening. Honing is realigning/truing the edge between actual sharpening.
Some people prefer the flattened shape steels, I'm fine with a cylindrical type. I wouldn't drop a lot of bank on it, whatever style you choose - try the Smart & Final model with the industrial white plastic handle. Spend your extra money on getting a professional sharpening instead, then use the steel to maintain between sharpenings. I professionally sharpen about every 16 months. -
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 2:15 PMI agree with everything Pacifica has stated. I bought a cylindrical honing rod that supposedly has diamond dust on it to help it hone. It cost me $20 at a knife store. I also take my knife in for sharpening and it's cheap as well - it was $1/inch and it came back as sharp as the day I bought it (maybe even sharper than that!).
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 2:17 PMAh, the embarrassment. I know a steel is to keep an edge, not make one, and yet how did I pose this question???? Sharpening. LOL. I'm embarrassed as a writer--accuracy--and as a recovering restaurant slave--just plain embarrassment. :-)
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 2:47 PMDon't be embarrassed! Sharpening steel is still a legit term :-)
I've had it a few years. Definitely no downsides - it's easy & reliable. But to be honest, I don't often take the time to hone. I occasionally half-ass sharpen at home with a ceramic disc hand-held thingie to get me by between professional sharpenings. And I wish my Grandfather hadn't made me a nice wooden box with non-skid bottom for an old-school sharpening stone, cause I feel too guilty to throw it away yet I never use it anymore... :-)
I'm blocked at work from clicking through to your profile, but in the chance you're ever on the Peninsula I highly recommend the services of: www.perfectedgecutlery.com $1/inch, 4" minimum/blade
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 2:44 PMi prefer the oblong one
they offer two grades of honing
if looked at from the top it is a pointy oval
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 6:40 PMChris, I can't really give you a brand, sorry. I can recommend, however, that you get the one that Tri mentioned, with diamond dust on it. It makes the job MUCH quicker. Less wasted energy and motion. That's what it's all about, right? I prefer conical to flat or "two-sided" ovals, myself. Just a personal preference because I feel I get a better stroke when I'm honing my knives. I also, personally, don't take my knives in for sharpening, but that's only because I prefer doing it myself. I bought a large whet stone at an outdoor supply store that I use on my knives, as needed.
I will also say that the white handled industrial from Smart & Final was one of my ALL TIME favorites. I used mine for many years before there was an incident with the stove and my kids and... well, it's too painful to think about right now... I'm kidding. Yeah, they set it down on a hot burner and that was the end of that. Ah, well.
Love and light, dear ones.
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:10 PMI like the round style myself, Igot mine at a small store in Japantown in SF. I think I paid 1.00 for it and it works well on all my knives I have old carbon,hinkles pro series and vitronox that i got at Smart and Final. Anyway the most important thing is that you should dress your blad before each use [ I use about 6-8 strokes per side ] your will stay sharp and last longer. My carbon is over 80 years old and is my favorite meat knife. Iam the third genaration in my famaly to own it, Good luck with your search!!
Daddy , Tim
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 8:21 PMI have opinions about this!:) I use steels a lot, there are definitely different types. Basically they vary by degree of sharpness. They should be made extremely hard, so that they last a long time, no matter what kind of knife they are used on. some knives are extremely hard, like (most?) japanese knives, but I think it would be a mistake to try to use a steel on these, or at least the specialized kinds. I have one steel that can put a quick edge on most knives because it is so coarse. it's handy and I use it on thicker knives. It's a russell from the the flea market or something. My other regularly used steel is very fine. I use it after the coarse steel or for touch up, and most importantly, on thinner knives. My favorite kitchen knives are THiiiiin. I have this theory that in the old days cutlers did a lot more than make knives. I think they may have maintained them by regrinding as well. A thin knife on a fine steel sharpens with a few strokes. if you don't over sharpen and never use a coarse steel, they last a long time. But, eventually they start to wear. As the knife wears away the edge becomes thicker, the bevels wider, and therefore you have more steel to remove, so it takes longer to sharpen. At a certain point regrinding can re-thin the blade to be easy to sharpen again and the honeymoon begins all! Woo hoo! I recently reground a small knife that had worn back too far to effectively sharpen on a fine steel. It was very difficult, pretty sloppy job, but it worked. The level of artistry in grinding showed on some older carbon steel knives is absolutely amazing. Sharpening such a knife on a stone is fairly pointless with a good steel at hand, and I think they were not made to be sharpened that way. So what do you do besides look for old knives and steels at the thrift store or flea market? I don't know. I can't afford to buy new stuff. I would look for the thinest knife you can find if they are even made that way anymore, and a good fine steel as well as a coarse one. BTW, over sharpening on a steel, as on stones, can leave an excessive burr and wastes valuable edge.
As far as the "realigning the edge" thing goes. A steel is a file. A fine file, but still a file. I'm convinced that they all remove steel. If a knife is so hard that the steel can't remove anything, then it's going to mess up the steel. something has to give. If they are near the same hardness, they will both give- like rubbing two files together. Not good. Diamond steels will obviously remove material from any knife. I use one sometimes, but not in the kitchen really. The one I have it usually either too aggressive or not aggressive enough.
I love steels! The edge is coarser!, but I am soooo done sharpening my kitchen knives on stones for all but the most delicate tasks. Not even sure I can think of one delicate enough off hand. That's where I'm at in my co-evolution with kitchen knives and their sharpening.